Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 09:17:27 -0700 To: rishab@dxm.ernet.in From: doug@OpenMind.com (Doug Cutrell) Subject: Re: Virtual assasins and lethal remailers Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com Rishab Aiyer Ghosh writes: >You mean the assasin will actually have to use a {gun/knife/CIA anti-beard >poison} and be _physically_ near the victim? > >Ah well, then the police just got to find the fingerprints and all the usual >things, right? What's cyberspace got to do with it? The point, of course, is that there is no risk to the person *placing* the contract. The assassin, as you say, has all the usual risks. >I believe that if you try to criminalize conspiracy, than you risk mass >invasions of privacy. Conspiring is just exercising freedom of opinion and >expression - the crime, as always even in the days of Caesar, is in the act, >not the preparation. And the act is always quite physical, well out of the >bounds of cyberspace and the Thought Police. This is oversimplistic. Paying someone else to commit a crime for you is a crime. It is in fact possible to pay someone to commit a crime for you in a completely "non-physical" sense, using anonymous remailers, public key encryption, public bulletin boards, and untraceable digital cash. In the past, it has always been a principle of social dynamics that actions can be eventually traced back to some kind of "source", or responsible parties. Throughout history, the people committing "crimes" have tried to make this connection harder and harder to trace, so that they cannot be tied to the physical agents they use to commit those "crimes". They have been successful to varying degrees, but the assumption of law enforcement and the mechanisms of social justice have been that ultimately these connections are traceable. The responsible parties can be located. This is at the heart of the notion of "criminal investigation". Strong crypto *fundamentally* changes this. If all the tools of crypto anarchy are in place, the causal link between person instigating a social action, and the agent completing the social action, becomes *absolutely* untraceable. The notion of criminal investigation cannot apply in any sense. The "arms and legs" that perform specific physical actions can of course still be located, but the critical component which organizes and directs such actions can in fact be completely secure. Thus strong crypto introduces the potential for a new kind of "social organism". The arms and legs, or physical processes of this organism are visible to society and can be targeted for social or interpersonal reprisal. However, the central control for these physical processes can be absolutely anonymous and untraceable, inviolable -- while the physical processes associated with this central control can come and go with complete fluidity. By the way, let me emphasize once again that I am NOT advocating that we criminalize any of the tools of strong crypto. I AM advocating that people carefully consider the social dynamics of the use of strong crypto. I believe that a society with access to strong crypto may fall into any one of a number of various long-term stable patterns. It is not a matter of simply discussing and developing the tools themselves... we should consider how to achieve desirable long-term stable social dynamics in the presence of strong crypto. This requires carefully considering sequences of introduction of various strong crypto tools into society, and predicting the reactions of society as these tools are introduced. Doug ___________________________________________________________________ Doug Cutrell General Partner doug@OpenMind.com Open Mind, Santa Cruz ===================================================================