From ld231782 Sun Dec 5 00:40:49 1993 Return-Path: Received: from traver.lance.colostate.edu by longs.lance.colostate.edu (5.65/lance.1.5) id AA11785; Sun, 5 Dec 93 00:40:42 -0700 Message-Id: <9312050740.AA11785@longs.lance.colostate.edu> To: cypherpunks@toad.com Cc: ld231782 Subject: A Clarification on My Trials and Tribulations Date: Sun, 05 Dec 93 00:40:32 -0700 From: "L. Detweiler" X-Mts: smtp Cypherpunks, you just don't get it. Why am I continuing to attack you and your leaders despite your vicious, cowardly attacks on me and my friends? Because, as long as you stand for *lies*, you do not have a right to exist. And to the extent that you promote *lies* you are corrupting the Internet and poisoning cyberspace. J.Gilmore says, `a pseudonym is not illegal unless used for deceptive purposes.' But you cypherpunks, that's the *only* purpose you are using them for! If I asked a tentacle, `are you a pseudonym', and it said `yes', do you think I would have gone to all this trouble to write tens of thousands of words attacking people and a movement I used to respect? If I asked your leaders, `have you ever communicated with me under a pseudonym' and they gave me straight answers, do you think I would still be around? YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO LIE TO ANYONE. Cypherpunks, how many of you have gotten messages, `hey, what do you think about T.C.May or E.Hughes and this pseudospoofing thing? Are you going to do anything about it?' For all of you who don't give a damn about your leaders pseudospoofing, why don't you care that your own leaders could be molesting you with their tentacles in this way? Using them in a manipulative way to gauge your loyalty to the movement and manipulate your trust? On the list and in your email? WHY DON'T YOU GIVE A DAMN? All I can conclude is that everyone here is in favor of deception, treachery, betrayal, and perversions, *particularly* if their leaders are responsible. Where the hell do you think I got all the stuff for `Joy of Pseudospoofing'? You think I made it all up? Your leaders molested me in precisely this way, but both the tentacles and your leaders stonewalled, evaded, and counterattacked. They think it is FUNNY how they have personally driven me to the BRINK OF INSANITY. And they *continue* to escalate instead of making simple statements about their beliefs in pseudospoofing, which would satisfy me and anyone else who has doubts. You want the truth? despite their bland statements your leaders *know* that pseudospoofing is PERVERTED and that is the only reason they refrain from saying anything about it, the only reason they continue to attack me as a deranged lunatic. What am I, the police? I don't GIVE A DAMN about all your perversions, as long as you keep them the hell out of my mailbox. But you *don't*. Everytime I think there is another person I can trust, it was nothing but another Leader Tentacle. Look, if you LIE TO ME in mail, THAT PISSES ME OFF and I will ATTACK you for it in an attempt to get to the TRUTH. and it should PISS OFF EVERYONE ELSE HERE TOO but NOBODY GIVES A DAMN. When I hear strange rumors about deceptions in the media, and your eminent leaders fail to reassure me, why is no one else upset about this? Cypherpunks, don't you give a DAMN that articles by reputable authors may contain DISTORTIONS AND LIES? Look, Markoff is a highly respected writer. And if you lie or deceive a reporter, that is like a personal insult. These people could get *fired* if their articles are incorrect in a serious way. but you don't GIVE A DAMN. you think it is FUNNY that you can TRICK REPUTABLE PEOPLE TO BELIEVE IN LIES and so you can PROPAGATE THEM FURTHER. Is there an honest cypherpunk in the entire world? None have contacted me so far. There are a few people that are slinking away quietly with their tail between their legs, but I think you all are just the same scurrilous cowards that your leaders are.