From ld231782 Tue Nov 30 01:05:09 1993 Return-Path: Received: from turner.lance.colostate.edu by longs.lance.colostate.edu (5.65/lance.1.5) id AA14043; Tue, 30 Nov 93 01:04:59 -0700 Message-Id: <9311300804.AA14043@longs.lance.colostate.edu> To: cypherpunks@toad.com Cc: ld231782 Subject: Eric Hughes Date: Tue, 30 Nov 93 01:04:57 -0700 From: "L. Detweiler" X-Mts: smtp Hello, I've been thinking that the GWELST (Guess Which Eminent Leader Said This) may be in poor taste and violate the privacy of a co-conspirator, the latter the #1 psychopunk crime. So, regarding the `There is no movement. Get this delusion out of your head. There is only software' quote, I won't say which Eminent Leader is the originator of this. I just wanted to share this inspirational message with everyone, hopefully no harm done. I had some other ideas for the GWELSTing game. As I said, I didn't have a whole lot of material for this, mostly due to the amazing rock-hard wall the Eminent Leaders have erected around certain topics, such as their own involvement in pseudospoofing conspiracies or quasi-criminal activities. Again, I wouldn't want to violate the privacy of a criminal, so I will just list this new inspirational quote without attribution, and let everyone here speculate on its author. The background behind this was that I had been concerned by leaks or `crossings' by tentacles of very personal knowledge of my personal habits and financial transactions -- something that likely could only have come from stealing my credit card report transactions. I was also concerned about an Eminent Leader's ties to credit organizations and credit databases. So, I asked in a message entitled `dirty secrets' -- `Have you ever poked around in a credit database?' The background on the other question was that I had heard references to a Secret Mailing list by both identified Medusa's Snakes and Medusa Sisters. The mailing list was supposedly for `project development' free of `paranoid ranters'! Well, if there was any overlap in `paranoid ranters' an tentacles, I would certainly like to sign up! I have been trying to find a single place on the Internet dedicated to project development and free of Cryptoanarchists, psychopunks, Medusa's snakes and sisters for many weeks now! Actually, I always thought that *this* list was dedicated to serious project development, but boy do I know better! It's a testing ground for Cryptoanarchist brainwashing and refining tentacle software of course. Anyway, the second question was -- `is there a secret mailing list?' * * * The $64K answer from the Eminent leader was rather terse and cryptic (ha, ha!), as he usually is. ``Your questions do not allow other than an incriminating answer.'' I asked him what he meant by that, I think, but he didn't elaborate. It's strange how none of the Eminent Leaders answers specifically any of my questions on various subjects like Pseudospoofing, Conspiracies, and Deception. The same leader, in response to a long list of my queries on the subjects, said `I deny it all'. Oh well. Maybe the list moderator and Cypherpunk movement founder E.Hughes (hughes@ah.com) would be the person to ask about infiltrating credit databases, a secret mailing list, pseudospoofing, conspiracies, and deception. Again, though, I won't reveal the Eminent Cypherpunk Leader who I quote to Protect Privacy. Just consider me a patriotic Cypherpunk to the end!