to: anon@anon.penet.fi x-anon-To: imp-interest@thumper.bellcore.com x-anon-password: poison subject: DEATH TO CYBERANARCHISTS Marc Horowitz >I don't want to sound obnoxious, but this has *nothing* to do with >IMP, and I've watched this flame war elsewhere already. sci.crypt or >cypherpunks is a morea appropriate place. I want to sound obnoxious. who the @#$%^&* is the moderator and why is he allowing these @#$%^&* cryptoanarchists to continually derail the discussions here? I thought this was a protocol development list! whoever wants the BLACK CASH or PACKET LAUNDERING MAILING LIST either go to cypherpunks, create your own, or GET LOST. Or, if any of you cryptoanarchists insist that you belong here, either put up a better protocol than P.Trubey's or GO TO HELL. Thank god at least one other reputable soul can recognize evil when he sees it: ===cut=here=== Newsgroups: talk.politics.crypto,alt.privacy,alt.privacy.anon-server,news.admin.poli cy,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.conspiracy,alt.culture.intern et,alt.culture.usenet,alt.whistleblowing,alt.politics.datahighway,alt.an archy,alt.best.of.internet From: John Gilmore Subject: CRYPTOANARCHIST BRAINWASHING AND SABOTAGE IN CYBERSPACE Relating to the recent interest in the `Cryptoanarchist' movement and quasi-conspiracy on the Internet, following is an analysis of Cryptoanarchist propaganda as posted to a sensitive Internet development mailing list. Cryptoanarchists are primarily interested in building protocols and systems to support `untraceable transactions' necessary for black marketeering, tax evasion, and the overthrow of governments, and have infiltrated many sensitive mailing lists to surreptiously promote their inherently subversive agenda. (They are easier to spot in mailing lists than Usenet groups but they pervade both -- the Internet is quite littered with them.) In this case, list member P.Trubey posted a proposal for an Internet Mercantile Protocol on imp-interest a few weeks ago. The discussions will lead to an official IETF proposal in Spring. Obviously, it is a project of the utmost sensitivity and importance to the development and commercialization of the Internet. It was a perfect opportunity to collude `behind the scenes' and promote their subversive agenda `out there'. Many Cypherpunks and Cyptoanarchists (any differences are subtle) are lurking on the IMP list because of its relevance to their agenda of completely untraceable electronic commerce, e.g. Hal Finney, Arthur Abraham, Nick Szabo, Doug Barnes, and Jim McCoy, Perry Metzger, Duncan Frissell, Pat Farrell, and other assorted unidentified tentacles of the leaders T.C.May and E.Hughes. In this example the cryptoanarchists derailed and sabotaged the discussion about the merits of the comprehensive Trubey proposal into irrelevant considerations of pornography distribution and cryptoanarchism, in my opinion a typical example of their obstructing, constraining, and thwarting the positive development of a critical Internet protocol. The complete imp-interest archive can be obtained from thumper.bellcore.com in /pub/devetzis/imp. Subscriptions to imp-interest go to imp-interest-request@thumper.bellcore.com. I would appreciate anyone posting who has any *scientific* and *dispassionate* comment on this whatsoever, particularly first-hand observers. Do not be intimidated by people who are sabotaging the natural growth and evolution of the Internet and are promoting a quasi-criminal agenda in the development of electronic infrastructure! We have a duty to Future Cyberspace to constrain their harmful influence! Also, I guarantee that the same cryptoanarchist propaganda, disinformation, and brainwashing can be found on other sensitive mailing lists and perhaps has even poisoned them dramatically. For example, I heard second hand about a war on the PEM development mailing list between people who demanded no identification (the current Internet) vs. those who demanded reliable and incorruptable identification servers (the future Cyberspace). Caveat Emptor! The Internet is teeming with Cryptoanarchists, who are flourishing in the current extremely anarchic atmosphere with widespread unrestriction and insecurity leading to e.g. rampant forgery, and are quite hostile towards anything that is going to disrupt their free reign. Frankly, I don't think Future Cyberspace is big enough to hold both the CryptoAnarchists and the Internet. One or the other is going to die. Do your part to ensure it is the former and not the latter! I apologize for my fanaticism but the issue demands it! I encourage anyone who has a first-hand encounter with a cryptoanarchist to *post* your interaction, and encourage all cryptoanarchists to take their discussions to cypherpunks@toad.com, where they are quite abundant and better contained (send mail to E.Hughes, cypherpunks founder, at cypherpunks-request@toad.com.) The Cypherpunks list is the focal point of Cryptoanarchist brainwashing, much in the form of fake identities puppeteered by the Leaders. Others interested in the Cryptoanarchist movement and more background should consult the Cypherpunks archives at soda.berkeley.edu:/pub/cypherpunks and RISKS 15.25,15.27, and 15.28x. I will quote N.Szabo in `>' quotes with the S.Boxx cryptoanarchist translations accompanying. ==== >From owner-imp-interest@thumper.bellcore.com Fri Nov 26 06:22:39 1993 From: szabo@netcom.com Subject: Re: The real use of IMP Date: Fri, 26 Nov 93 5:00:06 PST >If we include phone-in access to stock quotes in today's >net commerce, we must also include the flourishing net porn industry >on BBS's. BBS's take in upwards of $1 billion a year (according to >_Wired_) and I'd estimate that porn boards make up a majority of that >figure. We the cryptoanarchists are interested in setting up a pornography server. We are pretending a pornography server would be a respectable network service by comparing it to phone-in access of stock quotes. Many people pay for pornography, therefore it is a respectable enterprise we should pursue. Even Wired talks about pornography! It's exciting to be in the middle of help promoting a decline in the quality of online information by offering cheap, ubiquitous sex pictures for sale. And everyone who is remotely interested in technical protocol development, for example those on this list, had better accommodate whatever we want to aid the sale and distribution of pornography on the Internet. >Despite the many customers who seem to disregard their own privacy >with controversial services such as porn, I suspect many of the more >sophisticated customers would pay quite a bit extra for secure >privacy. Here's a very simple system: the BBS can accept >money orders enclosed with a nickname and password >created by the customer. These can then be used to >access the telnet account based on that nickname. The >local service account is then then debited by using the services >and credited by mailing more money orders with the pass phrase. We already subscribe to many Porn BBSes that let us keep our `privacy' (one of our favorite words that suggests that our illegitimate activities are respectable) while at the same time get our luscious dirty pictures of women in demeaning portrayals and e.g. bondage. Note that all this is happening today. We think that this is the ultimate Internet Commerce Model because it prevents traceability of anyone who uses it. That it has nothing to do with the Internet or electronic protocols (what this list is supposedly dedicated to) is an entirely irrelevant point. >This system is quite natural for BBS's, which have had a strong culture >of pseudonym-based reputation since their inception. Hostility >to pseudonyms on many (but by no means all) traditional >military/university Internet nodes may be one reason there aren't >more controversial commercial services on the Internet. Another >is that small-scale private access to the Internet is still a very >new thing, while BBS's have been around since the late 1970's. The BBSes we use for subversive uses and e.g. fulfilling our daily human pornography requirements aren't nearly as conservative as professional network users and accommodate our perversions. Even though many BBSes have very strict and conservative entrance and identification requirements, they are in the oppressive minority, particularly on the subversive BBSes. Everyone should be allowed to have as many fake identities as they want. People who think otherwise are just part of the Fascist conspiracy to refine the Internet past the current glorious cryptoanarchy. Those damn military users are wet blankets to our subversive uses of the Internet, too. Once all cryptoanarchists have the freedom to infiltrate the Internet pseudoanonymously from cheap entry points around the world, we will conquer all of Cyberspace. >The money order/debit system is not only far more private than credit >cards, it is also more secure. Credit cards are notoriously subject to >fraud even without the rich new possibilities for credit card abuse >created by open international networks. The customer need trust >the distant net service with a small money order, not access to their >entire credit line. The business need not make the unrealistic >expectation that a net account corresponds to a "real name". We don't make any distinction between debit systems and credit cards. No one should be required to divulge their identity in *any* transaction, including their attempt to borrow money from a Big Evil Oppressive Bank Corporation. We like to abuse the insecurity of credit cards and are quite alarmed at sophisticated new techniques to prevent, even eradicate it. Checks are another example of a fascist monetary system. We are in favor of black cash everywhere. No one should be required to pay oppressive taxes to support the Orwellian Oppression we call the U.S. Government, and ensuring that every transaction ever passed is totally anonymous ensures this. `real names' are extraordinarily destructive to private conspiracies and criminal behavior, and should be avoided at all costs. >The money order and password might be instead sent >to a debit Billing Service that maintains accounts for a wide >variety of online services, along the lines of Phil Trubey's >excellent proposal. Small account credits can be used to "ping" >the various online services, and the fraudulent services >quickly unmasked. Here we are sticking in a frivolous reference to something that actually transpired on the mailing list we are bombarding with this propaganda, disinformation, and brainwashing, to pretend that this entire article is relevant to the group. Phil Trubey made an excellent proposal except that we hate it, because it involves true identity. When there is a ubiquitous digital cash system that supports small transactions, we can launder money ingeniously with the cryptoanarchist information-subterfuge techniques like the remailers we pioneer. Make no mistake! Remailers have nothing to do with privacy, and far more to do with black marketeering, tax evasion, and the overthrow of governments. >This money order system also has the quality that is vital >for international, decentralized Internet commerce -- >it is _jurisdiction independent_. Small business cannot >afford the massive amounts of legal help needed to sort out >the various means of credit enforcement in the vast number >of jurisdictions criss-crossed by the net. They must instead >use transactions that rely on no such enforcement. This is >a major but necessary change in outlook if small business is >to take its place beside the megacorps in multinational >commerce. Also due to lack of legal staff, smart >small businesses on the net will also use software that >greatly amplifies their privacy and security, such as encryption >and routing methods that foil traffic analysis, to minimize >the consequence of accidentally violating obscure entries in a library >full of regulations somewhere on the other side of the planet. `jurisdiction independence' is our new less subversive-sounding word than `cryptoanarchy' that won't scare away respectable people, but it means the same thing -- complete and utter lawlessness. Tiny quasi-legal cryptoanarchist businesses have no use for all the oppressive laws out there that govern business, in very critical ways such as preventing conspiracies, monopolies, cartels, collusions, and corruption. No enforcement of any law, in fact not even any laws, is the cryptoanarchist Utopia, and we should strive to achieve it. This is our `phase change' we love to talk about to hypnotize our followers and the public like D.Koresh used the Apocalypse on his. Also, because we don't have any use for lawyers whatsoever (they all should be shot) our small cryptoanarchist businesses will use our subterfuges in the name of `privacy' and `security' to prevent anyone from tracking our crimes. We have no use for any law, even the ones in the nation we live in. No law has any legitimacy, and the fact that they can all be violated with ease, particularly in cyberspace, confirms that. >Those who object to such a "paranoid" method of doing business >must hold out the possibility that small businesses can >hire lawyers from all over the planet to be sure that they >satisfy every jot and tittle in every principality. >That isn't really even feasible across the 50 >states of the U.S., although many businesses pretend it is and go >about doing the best they can. A good IMP should transcend these >legal idiosyncrasies, eliminate legal dependencies, and be as >useful in and between Eastern Europe, Africa, Japan, Latin >America and Singapore as it is in and between the states of the U.S. >or EC. We have been called `criminals' by some but we are really quite respectable cryptoanarchists. No one should be required to make any effort to satisfy any structure other than themselves, especially an invariably corrupt institution like the Government. It just isn't fun to learn and follow the rules regarding commerce that have been established after decades or even centuries of fine-tuning. A good IMP should be as subversive as possible. It should be completely invisible, capable of hiding any surreptitious or illegal use of data. It should transcend the laws on commerce of all countries so that true International Criminality can be established. >I suspect most Internet commerce in the near term is going >to be a straightforward migration from the OSI/X.*00 world and the >BBS world, not new services made out of whole cloth. >Pure-info publishing (books, CDs, etc.) is going to face severe >problems with piracy (as digital porn does now). Over the long >term, many more services will be possible from the emerging net-based >multinational small business. Since small business is >increasing majority share of the world economy, the development >of jurisdiction-independent protocols, from the simple (money >order activated net accounts) to the sophisticated (online >and offline digital cash) for multinational small >business may well be the most lucrative business opportunity >of the decade. Jurisdiction-independence looks like the >keystone of the new generation of net commerce. I am going to throw in some other terms that I know nothing about in my conclusion and references to the Real World in a desperate attempt to convince everyone here that I am doing the list a service with my posting, and not subtly and insidiously altering their psychology to accept our vision of the 1st Reichof Cryptoanarchy and our glorious thousand-year Golden Age. Over the long term, we hope to establish an international network of subversive and quasi-criminal enterprises in Cyberspace and control the entire world economy. The First Cyberspatial Mafia, so to speak -- the opportunities for raking in heaps of cold cash at the expense of sniveling victims are tremendously exciting! Cryptoanarchy is the wave of the future! ``Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.'' -- A.Einstein